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MessageSujet: Rédaction   Sam 18 Nov - 11:53

slt doudou.
Ci-joint le document (ah non, en fait j'arrive pas à l'insérer :s tu n'aurais pas un email par lequel je pourrais te l'envoyer? :s dsl) avec lequel j'ai travaillé.
Je dois en faire un résumer. Ensuite le commenter.
J'ai commencé par résumer la chose...
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It's an interview about African-Americans in the States. The interviewee is called Terence, and he is in France for two years for his job. He works as a "lecteur d'anglais" at the Sorbonne. As he is an african-american, the interviewer asks him about the economic evolution of the blacks their last years. Terence says that blacks are better-off. There are more middle-class blacks now than in the past. But when the interviewer asks him about relationship, he says that we shouldn't mix economic situation and social situation. In fact, even if, there has been some progress made economically, isn't the same thing for relation between the 2 communities. From his point of view, there are not improvements because dialogue not exist. "Pour sortir de cette situation" the dialogue is indispensable. But when the interviewer says him "are you hopeful about the future [...]?" in sprite of the pessimistic situation he just relate, he answers with conviction that yes, he is hopeful. [The dialogue will exist when people will desire to "let down their barriers" and express each point, even if, it's negative to find a concensus talk]

Merci

ps: la partie [ _________________ ] est le résumé du dernier passage long de Terence. Mais justement je ne sais pas si j'en ai bien saisi le sens.[img]
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MessageSujet: Re: Rédaction   Sam 18 Nov - 15:42

Salut, Betty Boop.

Si tu veux me contacter, tu peux bien m'envoyer un message privé.
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It's an interview about African-Americans in the States. The interviewee is called Terence, and he has been in France for two years because of his job. He works as an English assistant at the Sorbonne. As he is an African-American, the interviewer asks him about the recent economic evolution of Blacks in the US.

Terence says that Blacks are better-off. There are more middle-class Blacks now than in the past. But when the interviewer asks him about social relationships between the races, he says that they shouldn't mix the economic situation and the social situation. In fact, even if there has been some progress made economically, it still isn't the same thing for relations between the two communities.

From his point of view, there aren't any significant improvements on the social level because a cross-cultural dialogue not exist. To break out of this situation, dialogue is indispensable; but when the interviewer asks him if he's hopeful about the future, he answers with the conviction that he is hopeful in spite of the pessimistic situation he just described. In hopes of coming to a consensus, dialogue will take place when people decide to "let down their barriers" and express their feelings, even if their feelings are negative.

Il n'y a pas de virgule après even if.

ps: la partie [ _________________ ] est le résumé du dernier passage long de Terence. Mais justement je ne sais pas si j'en ai bien saisi le sens. Moi non plus, vu que je ne vois pas le document.
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MessageSujet: re   Dim 19 Nov - 10:35

Merci beaucoup.
Maintenant il reste le commentaire...mais j'crois que ça relève plus de la culture générale.
doudou, tu dois bien connaître la situation en Amérique toi non? Qu'est-ce qu'on pourrait dire?
J'dirais qu'y a toujours une barrière comme nous l'a montré les ouragans en Louisiane. Bush n'a pas bougé le ptit doigt pour les noirs...
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MessageSujet: Re: Rédaction   Dim 19 Nov - 11:05

On peut dire que les Noirs américains ont fait des avancées significatives et remarquables au cours des 40 années écoulées sur le plan économique, politique et dans une certaine mesure académique ; mais les Noirs continue à vivre pour l'essentiel de seconde zone. C'est à dire qu'ils vivent dans des conditions qui contribuent fortement à accentuer une ségrégation urbaine, où les moins nantis sont relégués dans un espace resté public mais sous-équipé, voire délabré. Il existe toujours les quartiers noirs à travers la cité et la nation.

En plus, voici ce qu'on peut dire en anglais :

Segregation generally is taken to mean the practice of forcibly separating people based upon their race or ethnicity.

However, under modern civil rights law force doesn't have anything to do with the legal definition of segregation.

From a legal standpoint, there are two types of segregation which affect preferred racial minorities in the U.S.: de jure segregation and de facto segregation.

De jure segregation means racial separation forced by specific laws. All such laws were eliminated in the U.S. by the mid-1960s. Therefore, today in the U.S. there is no such thing as de jure segregation.

De facto segregation means racial separation that occurs "as a matter of fact", e.g., by housing patterns (where one lives) or by school enrollment (where one goes to school).

By definition, de facto segregation refers to a homogenous racial grouping, i.e., a group of individuals dominated by one particular race. The reason or cause for the racial homogeneity of such a group is generally presumed to be "bad" and is presumed to have been caused by some form of "racism", i.e., limited opportunity, economic disadvantage, political disadvantage, social disadvantage, and/or the effects of historic discrimination.

However, it is NOT considered de facto segregation if the homogenous racial group is doing well economically, politically, socially, or academically. If this is the case, then the homogenous racial group is considered to be celebrating it's cultural heritage by voluntarily choosing to group together. This is considered to be "good" segregation, although the racial special interests are loathe to refer to it that way.

In practice and by definition, de facto segregation can only occur if both of the following conditions are met:

The homogenous racial group is a preferred minority (usually black or Hispanic) but is NOT white (and frequently also is NOT Asian)
The homogenous racial group is defined by adverse economic, social, geographic (neighborhood), educational or political circumstances.

The modern civil rights definition of de facto segregation presents many logical paradoxes.

For example, under modern civil rights law, an historically black college is NOT considered to be an example of de facto segregation -- or any type of segregation at all -- because the black students choose to go there voluntarily and because the college's explicit purpose is to benefit black students -- a preferred racial group -- rather than white or Asian students.

Conversely, if a college or university is "majority white" (or Asian) and the proportion of preferred races (black, Hispanic, Native American) enrolled at that college is lower than their proportion in the general population, then that IS considered de facto segregation. The fact that preferred racial groups such as blacks or Hispanics didn't meet the minimum academic achievement requirements for admission to the college or university is presumed to be evidence of racism and discrimination.

De facto segregation is considered to be "bad" segregation and is considered to be actionable under current civil rights law. However, as you have seen above, there are also many examples of "good" segregation -- although the racial quota lobby won't use the term "segregation" to describe them.

For example, the following types of "voluntary segregation" (racial separatism) are NOT regarded as de facto segregation at all under modern civil rights law:

Racially separatist student organizations such as a black students' association, or an Hispanic students' association, are not considered segregationist or even racist because they benefit a preferred racial group.

Racially separatist professional organizations such as the Black Engineers Society, or the Black Chamber of Commerce, or the Black Firefighters Association are not considered to be segregationist or even racist because they benefit a preferred racial group.

Racially separatist businesses such as the Black Entertainment Channel, or the Black National Bank, are not considered to be segregationist because they cater to the presumed business and entertainment interests of a preferred racial group.

Racially separatist political organizations such as the Congressional Black Caucus are not presumed to be segregationist or racist because their purpose is to advance the racially-exclusive political interests of a preferred racial group.

Under modern civil rights law, de facto segregation occurs when blacks, for example, live in neighborhoods with other blacks which results in the neighborhood schools being largely black. This type of de facto segregation is considered "bad segregation".

Another, similar example of de facto segregation occurs when higher income suburban whites attend their neighborhood schools. The student bodies of such schools tend to be predominantly white, and this is also considered de facto segregation since presumably disadvantaged racial groups who live elsewhere are not receiving the same quality of education.

Federal civil rights laws which prohibit segregation have a very difficult time dealing with so-called "voluntary segregation". Who is the victim when preferred minority racial groups choose to hang out together? Who is the villain?

As a practical matter, under modern civil rights law whites and other supposedly "privileged" racial groups cannot suffer from any form of segregation, de facto or otherwise.


Et voilà.

Ed
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MessageSujet: Re: Rédaction   Dim 19 Nov - 16:00

Hi,

Je pensais mettre:
We saw later that is true, as Terence says, the economic situation of African-Americans has improved. But the unemployment rate for blacks is always twice as high as for whites. The unemployment means misery. The percentage of people below the poverty line is worrying. In the past, it had even reached 40% almost half of the black population. Today it's above 25%. This misery causes a social exclusion and more delinquency and matters with the justice in Afro-Americans's districts. This Afro-Americans's districts reflect the segregation. Today, there is more rascism in the South of the country, where at the times of hurricans (in Louisiana), there was a lot of blacks victims. Also, the Bush's governement seems neglects Afro-Americans. "Il reste beaucoup à faire" and, as Terence says, the discussion is indispensable to deleate "petit à petit" this aftereffects of slave century.
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MessageSujet: Re: Rédaction   Dim 19 Nov - 18:07

We saw later that is true, as Terence says, the economic situation of African-Americans has improved.
Later we see that what Terence say is true: namely, that the economic situation of African-Americans has improved.
But the unemployment rate for blacks is always twice as high as for whites.
But the unemployment rate for blacks is almost twice as high as it is for whites.
The unemployment means misery.
Unemployment means misery.
The percentage of people below the poverty line is worrying.
The percentage of people below the poverty line is disturbing.
In the past, it had even reached 40% almost half of the black population.
In the past, it had even reached 40%, which is almost half of the black population.
Today it's above 25%.
This misery causes a social exclusion and more delinquency and matters with the justice in Afro-Americans's districts.
Their misery results in social exclusion, more delinquency, and involvement with the justice system in African-American neighborhoods.
This Afro-Americans's districts reflect the segregation.
The continued existence of African-American ghettos reflect the country's ongoing segregation.
Today, there is more rascism in the South of the country, where at the times of hurricans (in Louisiana), there was a lot of blacks victims.
Hurricane Katrina is a graphic example of present-day attitudes toward black people. TV reporters showed the country that the majority of victims in Louisiana were black.
Also, the Bush's governement seems neglects Afro-Americans.
And the Bush administration seems oblivious to the needs of African-Americans.
"Il reste beaucoup à faire" and, as Terence says, the discussion is indispensable to deleate "petit à petit" this aftereffects of slave century.
There is much to do and as Terence says, dialogue between the races is indispensable in order to eliminate little by little the aftereffects of the period of slavery.
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